Up the Ladder/Episode 2

How Dennis Cardona gets roofing customers without a storm

Dennis Cardona, Xtreme Innovations Roofing & Construction 7:57

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Dennis Cardona owns Xtreme Innovations Roofing & Construction in Houston. His family came to the U.S. from Honduras, and at 15 and 16 he spent his school vacations working on his dad's painting and remodeling jobs. After college he passed on an office job and set out to run his own company.

Xtreme started out chasing storms. One day while his crew was door knocking, a man flagged them down and asked for help with his roof. Dennis took the job without knowing how to measure a roof or order the materials, and he lost money on it, but that first roof opened the door to the company he runs today.

Storm work helped Xtreme grow, but Dennis wants a company that lasts 20 to 30 years, and that takes work that doesn't depend on the weather. In this episode he explains how Xtreme builds demand for retail roofing through its brand and its salespeople, and what he would tell a roofer who wants to add retail work.

Transcript

Lightly edited: filler words and false starts are taken out, and everything else is as it was said.

0:00

Dennis And I can hear a guy actually waving and screaming and saying, "Hey, I need help." We turn around and he was like, "Hey, can you guys help us with the roof?" At that point, it was an opportunity for me to take on, even though I didn't have the experience.

0:18

Aaryan Hey, everyone. This is Aaryan with the Up the Ladder podcast. This is episode two. Today we have with us Dennis Cardona, who is the owner of Xtreme Innovations Roofing and Construction LLC. They work out of all the major cities in Texas, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Arizona, and also Colorado. Dennis, thank you so much for being here, bro.

0:36

Dennis I appreciate you for having me on board, man. It's nice being on your podcast.

0:41

Aaryan When I was doing my research on you, I saw on your website that Xtreme started with a DIY remodeling project. First of all, is that true? And then how did that end up turning into a roofing company?

0:51

Dennis It is. It started with a project. It started with many projects, actually, to begin with, since I was little. My background, I'm from Honduras, very hardworking parents. We immigrated to the U.S., legalized our paperwork and everything. While we were in high school, actually, I was 15, 16. I never had the opportunity to have the vacation that every high schooler would have. My vacation was going to work with my dad. He had a company that he was painting, completely remodeling. So that's how I started gaining the experience. I transferred all that into my future. So what I did, I graduated from college, but I was the type of man that I didn't like to sit on an office. I wanted to go ahead and proceed and pursue my dreams of actually being an owner at that point. But yeah, it started like that. And then from there on, we just keep going and going and going slowly.

1:48

Aaryan Do you remember how you got your first ever roofing customer?

1:52

Dennis We're storm chasers also. We chase a lot of hurricanes. So what we did is we door knock a lot. It was funny because two of our guys actually, they were getting down to door knock. I was actually the last one to get out of the truck, and started door knocking. And I can hear a guy actually waving and screaming and saying, "Hey, I need help." We turn around and he was like, "Hey, can you guys help us with the roof?" At that point, it was an opportunity for me to take on, even though I didn't have the experience. But I knew that if I can put enough effort to it and find the right resources, I could get it done. And we did it. I kid you not. We did took a loss on it. I didn't know how to measure the roof. I didn't know how to order the material. But that did open the door for me. And that's what I'm blessed for. Because that's where we're at now.

2:41

Aaryan So you started off with mostly storm and insurance work, right? What were the biggest challenges and lessons that you learned?

2:48

Dennis Man, to be honest, it's been challenging because at some point as a roofing contractor, you cannot depend just in chasing storms. It gets a little tough out there. There's a lot of competition.

3:02

Aaryan And so that's why you kind of started transitioning into retail work, right?

3:06

Dennis So with the storm restoration, it has helped us grow. But I realized that if I wanted to build a company that could actually thrive for the next 20 to 30 years, we couldn't depend entirely on the weather. So storms create opportunities, but they aren't something you can really control. I wanted to create a business where we could generate opportunities consistently, regardless of whether a storm came through or not. Retail roofing allowed us to build stronger relationships with homeowners who are proactively investing in their properties. For me, the transition into retail isn't about leaving the storm restoration behind. We're going to continue doing it. But it's about building more diversified sustainable company that can succeed in any market at this point.

3:51

Aaryan With storm work, it's very easy to find demand. Whenever there's hail, you can go there and you can knock on doors and you can get customers. With retail, it's a little bit more challenging. How are you guys getting customers for retail?

4:02

Dennis The biggest shift is understanding the retail roofing. You have to create a demand instead of waiting for the demand to come to your door. We're focusing on building our brand, strengthening our online presence, generating referrals, developing relationships, and educating homeowners about the value of their roof. A lot of homeowners don't realize they need a full replacement until they start experiencing problems. Our responsibility is to help them understand their options before those problems become expensive. We're also investing in our salespeople training and customer experience, because marketing might generate opportunity, but trust is what closes the deal at this point. Our main goal is trying to get close to the homeowner. We do have boots on the ground, marketing, cold calling. You want to go ahead and trigger all those aspects because at the end of the day, you have to do everything that you can to be able to promote your brand.

4:54

Aaryan If somebody is watching right now and they want to get more into retail work, let's say they're doing insurance work already and they want to switch, or maybe they're just starting out and they want to expand on retail, what advice would you give to them?

5:05

Dennis My biggest advice would be is to stop building your entire business around the next storm and start building a brand that homeowners trust year round. Based on my experience, retail roofing requires a different mindset. You can't just sell a roof on damage. You have to learn how to communicate value, explain quality, offer solutions, and give homeowners a reason to choose your company over the competition. Invest in your people, train your sales team correctly, build a strong reputation, take care of your customers, and don't be afraid to invest in marketing and systems.

5:38

Aaryan And then last question, earlier on in the podcast, you said that you want to be around for another 10, 20 years, and you see that insurance work is not going to get you there, just doing that by itself. What do you see is next for Xtreme Roofing over the next 5, 10, 20 years?

5:52

Dennis Oh, man, that's a big one right there. Well, my vision for Xtreme is bigger than where we are now. We already expanded our operations beyond Texas into markets like Oklahoma and Colorado. And now we're actually working with Arizona. Phoenix got hit. I mean, the whole state got hit at this point. And I see tremendous opportunities to continue to grow. Our focus moving forward is training our retail division, expanding our commercial roofing operations, developing great leaders within our organization and building systems that allow us to scale without sacrificing quality. That's one main thing that you want in your company, quality over quantity. You want to make sure you provide the best quality, the best service. If you do not do that, then at that point, you're probably going to end up failing. I just don't want to build a successful company. I want to build an organization that creates opportunities for employees, provides stability for their families, and delivers an exceptional experience to homeowners. To me, the reality is success isn't just measured by revenue or how many roofs we can install. It's measured by the reputation we build together, the people we develop, and the impact we leave behind. For anybody that's actually listening to this, I do put myself out there. If they want to reach out, I'm more than happy to help them out. The main key is to make sure you have your structure correctly. And know how to invest your money. Make sure that everybody's happy. And I promise you, your company will grow.

7:24

Aaryan Awesome, dude. Thank you so much, bro. If there's even any homeowners listening that are out in Phoenix, Arizona and just got hit by hail, hit up Xtreme Roofing. They'll be there to help you guys out. And if there's any roofers listening looking for advice, follow Dennis. He has Facebook, Instagram. They'd be posting, I think TikTok also.

7:41

Dennis TikTok, yes, sir.

7:42

Aaryan Yeah, and just follow their content. There's a lot of great value there.

7:45

Dennis Yes, sir. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. God bless you, my man.

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